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from a distance. let me go to jim cavanaugh. thank you for joining us, as always. atf agents involved going in with protective vests on already. we've seen something of the operation eye visible here. >> chris, i think probably what happened -- we don't know. we'll find out in the next half hour or so certainly -- but when the superintendent of state police lifted the order to stay in your house, all the residents came out of their house and naturally you're cooped up, may not want to walk to the grocery store but you're going to come out in your driveway, garage, and likely dzhokhar was laying somewhere in the bushes, in the weeds, behind the car, in the back of a pickup truck and he was spotted. so, you know, then the call went to 911 -- >> i see what you mean. >> we need to go right now to whdh. >> i just saw in the center here them take a robot and put it in the back of a bomb squad vehicle. maybe they are transported it closer to that location. >> i'm being held back. i am about a block behind the location. you guys don't have it yet but we were rolling on our camera here when th
night and this morning is they are making it up as they go. i agree with jim. now that we have the lead individual, the older brother dead, the younger one has to make decisions. as an fbi hostage negotiator, this is the type of guy we would like to talk to. we contain him and isolate him from contact with the outside world and we negotiate and we help him identify reasons to live. that's what fbi negotiators and atf will be trying to do. if they can get him located in one place, time is somewhat on our side. it's unprecedented to shut a city down like this. it sets a terrible example for people in the future, but right now this is what we have to deal with. >> when i heard about the 7-11 and you hear about them with the mit police officer, why would you dru attention to yourself? they had to know that they were going to be pursued. is that tied to the fact and when i originally saw that video yesterday that was released and taken from the department store camera, they looked calm. they looked like anybody. they almost looked confident-cocky to me. there is the video to me. they are wal
't thinking about the potential of the good guys to find out what happened. your thoughts first, jim? >> well, you're exactly right. it's like behind you in these big cases, there's a silent worrying fan that starts and that state department agents across the globe, cia stations, homeland security, where governor ridge was in charge of, they all start worrying around and they're all supporting you with their databases and their information. in the command post, we have computerized lead tracking. atf and fbi developed those systems in the early '90s and we put them to work with great force. i mean, we track every lead. computerized lead tracking so we can capture that information and control the leads. and this digital age that's come upon us, chris, when i started as a policeman, we had rotary phones. i mean, you're talking about wanted posters. we had to go hand them out. >> i know. >> so now -- this digital phone technology, this surveillance cameras. remember the london train bombings? the cct cameras in greater london. the metropolitan police were able to capture the suicide bombers on t
. people say all the time, you look sort of like that guy, like that guy. let's go to jim cavanaugh right now. maybe i think like a cop but i'm thinking monday night they could have had plane tickets to be out of the country, middle east, driven to the canadian border, been to new york by monday at midnight. there's so many possibilities of where they've gone. what does it tell you that the fbi gave up trying to find them on their own? >> they made the right decision, the task force did to release them. you always want to be able to identify them yourself because then you can put them under surveillance, see their behavior, and make their move when you want to. that's what we all prefer in law enforcement. in law enforcement, we don't want to tell anybody anything. that's not the way it can work. and you're exactly right. mike isikoff, who i think is always right, you're exactly right about coming and going. look, if these were foreign nationals, they could have come in to watch the marathon or even if they were domestic perpetrators, they could have come in to watch the marathon for two,
to work with them before on cases. between the fbi and atf there's probably no better lab. as jim will tell you, when a bomb goes off, it may get blown to bits, but those are bits that we can recover. that his agency and the fbi can put together. they can understand the device. and perhaps find a signature aspect to that. so we've got a forensic investigation that's going on as far as the bomb and where it went off and what it was composed of and who may have built it. we also have what you just talked about, chris, that photographic evidence. as you and i talked yesterday, i guarantee you yesterday and today there are photographs of the individual or individuals who placed those devices. we just have to separate the weak from the -- in this case the killers from the crowd and we'll know who did that. >> let me go over to mr. cavanaugh. james, it seems to me a picture dh can be blown up and stud did, what more would you want actually than someone dropping the black bag and walking away from the bomb site? >> chris, i've worked many cases over the years with no pictures at all. so
. let's bring in retired atf special agent in charge, nbc news analyst jim cavanaugh. jim, it's, it's a changing situation. but certainly it is a dramatic scene. it almost looks like a war zone, streets empty, we don't know how many officers are on the scene. but the tension seems to be remarkably high. there's some thought that perhaps dzhokah tsarnaev is holed up and is being negotiated with at this point. >> alex, that's exactly right. you know when you're in command of a situation like this, i always like to break it down to the main things that handle the main crisis points and address those. and there's three interlocking rings here that are affecting boston and the citizens. and that's what the commanders have got to focus on. one is the standoff with dzhokhar, we can talk about how that interlocks and what's going on there. the second is, the placement of another pressure cooker device in the city that they've located. and the question of are there more. and then the third interlocking circle is, whether or not there's these two accomplices, as pete williams described and ma
of the bombings at the boston marathon. joining us now by phone is retired atf agent in charge jim cavenaugh. now with all the security precaution that's are put in place at events like these, why weren't these bombs detected? what went wrong? >> looks like the boston police swept the area with the bomb-sniffing dogs and bomb squad but they did not totally secure the area after they swept it. and that can be for a lot of reasons. issues, whether they suspected anything that would happen. a marathon is a very difficult thing to secure anyway just because of the length of the race and number of people. >> now we've since learned that the explosives were most likely pressure cooker bombs. how sophisticated are those bombs and what do they tell us if anything about the bomber? >> well, what's come out right is they're pressure cookers and ball bearings inside and circuit board. so we know it's electrically fused. one thing we know for sure is they're simple and they're very effective. the electrical fusing remains to be seen is that a cell phone circuit board or a timer? if it's a cell phone, the 12
, live in boston and jim cavanaugh, former atf special agent who led the investigations in to the atlanta olympic bombing and don clark, former agent in charge in houston. michael, let me go to you first. what jumps out at you from the fbi complaint filed today? >> reporter: well, actually, the passage describing the carjacking, a rather chilling account from the victim in which he was -- in which he describes being in his car on a road in cambridge, one of the tsarnaev brothers, the affidavit is not clear which one, knocks on the window, he rolls down the window, that tsarnaev opens the door, gets in, brand dishes his gun, says did you hear about the boston explosion and then adds, i did that. a boast that he was the bomber and then shows him his gun, taking out the magazine, shows the bullet in it, puts the magazine back in and says, i'm serious. he then orders the carjacker to drive him to an atm machine, also to pick up his brother, then take over the car and eventually the car -- the victim is able to escape but that boast, i did that, was one of the more powerful elements in the com
's turn back to the investigation and talk to jim walsh, an international security and terrorism expert at m.i.t. let's talk about law enforcement. what are they looking for now? how do they go about this investigation? take us through some of those steps? and within that, we have to start forming some theories. from what we know already, do you think that it is maybe an individual or probably a group and how do you go about figuring out, is this a foreign group or individual, or americans? >> yeah. those are big questions and there are a lot of them. let me start in the beginning and say in terms of the phase of the investigation, i think there are different parts and different parts of the government are handling different parts of the investigation. so obviously, the most important and immediate thing are those events and evidence that are near the attack. that are approximate to the attack. that includes the crime scene. that includes the material used in the bomb and the process of reconstructing what that bomb looked like. it is designed, the materials it used. the nature of the t
and come along with him. in a relationship like this, and jim can talk about the d.c. sniper, but you usually have an older or dominant individual and a younger one who's a follower. that could very well be the case with these two brothers also. >> clint, they're more likely to be able to i guess the person who's trying to do the influence can do so if they're in more of a vacuum. not being reached out to by other family members. they were living in a very isolated manner on their own. >> what bothers me is they come to this country as refugees. they claim that status. and then turn and ause that against us. it's always that the very best nature, the very best that's in us, in the united states, is turned around and used, weapon, against us, by those who would do us harm. >> it's interesting, you talk about that. the family was granted legal permanent residence march of 2007, became naturalized citi n citizens on the anniversary of 9/11 just last year. there certainly seems to be irony in that. with regard to the potential bombs, explosive devices that are planted around boston, is t
clint? >> number one, i think as jim and i have discussed, the older brother was probably the primary influence. he influenced his younger brother. this 19-year-old man now has lost that influence. he's lost that decision-making ability on the part of his older brother, so he's on his own. look, for all we know right now, three different things. he's either hiding in one of these houses, he's under a house and maybe he's bled to death because he got shot in the ch e shootout, too, or he was able to escape. if law enforcement closes that net tighter, they get through every house and every apartment and he's not there, that's going to be a new time to consider what we're doing. did we miss him? did he get away? and we also have to consider motive on this which is most important, and, you know, sometimes we look at the simplest motive and it makes no sense to us because it's almost chaotic. and it may be that these two young men were simply trying in their own terrible way to bring attention to the chechnyan, vis-a-vis the timmy mcveigh type who said collateral damage. these are the thi
who can't talk? hostage negotiator jim cavanagh is back with us next. ♪ good time never seemed so good ♪ what do you think? that's great. it won't take long, will it? nah. okay. this, won't take long will it? no, not at all. how many of these can we do on our budget? more than you think. didn't take very long, did it? this spring, dig in and save. that's nice. post it. already did. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. dig in and save with vigoro one-quart annuals, four for just ten bucks. >>> the interrogation of dzhokhar tsarnaev is underway but not necessarily as planned. right now the surviving marathon bombing suspect lies underguard at a boston hospital. he is answering questions in writing because of a throat wound. possibly from a suicide attempt friday night, it tough for him to talk. there is no word on what information he may be giving investigators about the plot or the attack. in the past few days, interesting details have emerged about how dzhokhar spend his day on campus at the university of massachusetts dartmouth right after the bombing. going
. the oscar-winning actress and husband jim toth were arrested and jailed early friday morning for an alleged dui and disorderly conduct. according to the police report, while tothe was given a sobriety test reese claimed he wasn't a real police officer and wouldn't stay in the car. she said, do you know my name? you're about to find out who i am. oh, yeah. she went there. well, in a statement witherspoon says she clearly had too much to drink and is deeply embarrassed. >>> sad news here. three door down bassist todd harrell was charged with vehicular homicide over the weekend after causing a fatal crash that killed a 47-year-old man. harrell was intoxicated and also in possession of over 30 assorted prescription pills. >>> tom cruise's "oblivion" owe blif yachted the box office, $38 million. jennifer lawrence presented bill clinton with a glaad media award and actually ended up flubbing the president's name. >> we are happy to present glaad's advocate of change award to president glib -- bill clinton. >> it wasn't that bad. >>> kim kardashian is no longer a married woman. her divorce was fin
know, it's logical to think that this 19-year-old may have been hit, too. so i agree with jim, he could have crawled under some place and laying there bleeding out. he could be holding a gun to someone's head and they wouldn't have answered the door. there's a lot of scenarios. the best case scenario is that we would have found him holed up someplace in that 20-block area. realize, not only did they have s.w.a.t. agents, everybody else, bomb dogs out there, they had search dogs out there, they had a lot of resources and this guy, 19 years old, on the run and in an environment he doesn't know with just the shoes on his feet maybe has been able to elude. now, that's probably very lucky on his part but law enforcement sitting there right now with their fingers crossed hoping he's still in the area because they may not know where to look next, al. >> that's my point, james. lucky for him maybe. hopefully he doesn't have that luck. but scary for others. i mean, i'm an early riser. i wake up early this morning, 5:00 a.m., in the middle of the night both of them have been caught, one's dead, t
in trying to find these potential suspects and whittle down the information? >> piggyback what jim said, the tremendous amount of information. it's really hard to conceptualize how much is going on, how many streams of information are coming in. big part of it right now, of course, lining up witnesses with all the data that's available. digital and analog. and identifying people, timeline, sequences. who was here, egress routes? as far as facial recognition system, i've been out of the government now for about 18 months, and before that, there were huge leaps in technology and biometrics and facial recognition system. i can imagine now the state-of-the art is that much further along. i'm sure it will be a big part in helping identify. >> when we talk about this mounds and mounds of evidence, it's really two different crime scenes essentially. we had two bomb sites. are they treating each of these independently or look for commonalities between the two? >> absolutely on the commonalities. think of it in terms of one major crime scene, death scene here, with some of the best technicians i
're negotiating with him or make contact with him or just simply trying to wait him out? >> as jim kavanagh said, there is a standard procedure to deal with a situation like tat and you look at it in terms of a hostage situation. ultimately and ideally, they want to bring this person out alive. they want to minimize any potential loss of life. so, if they have isolated him in a place where they have high confidence that they have a secure perimeter, then they'll take as long as necessary to try to get him to surrender, if, in fact, that's the case right now. >> in about seven minutes the president is going to get a direct briefing from robert mueller, they're both headed to the white house in less than ten minutes. i want to bring in cliff van zandt former fbi profiler. clint, you've been hearing everything. my apologies there. you have been hearing everything about learning more and more little bit about who these brothers are. what kind of profile would you be putting together right now? >> well, number one, we all have to admit it is amazing to get this much information this quickly. you look
away with it. they were not expecting this to happen within a couple of days. >> final question, jim, for the moment. the individual, the youngest brother, dzhokhar, he, as we know, is on the loose. the police believe that they have him in a contained area. how does this end? i mean, obviously he's a font of information alive, but how does it end? >> well, he could be dead. you know, there's a report there was blood found and he may have been wounded in the huge shootout with the police, 200 rounds are fired. he could have been wounded and he could be dead under one of those houses or in garage back there. so he could have bled out. that's one possibility. he could have killed himself is another possibility. he could be hiding there with a bomb strapped on him that he may detonate when the agents and detectives and police surround him. or he may surrender. so that's -- or try to get through to cordon. that's about his options right there, and that's about how it will play out. we'll see in the ensuing hours. you know, we knew when the pictures were put out that before the sun rose at
they couldn't possibly win. something like watergate happens. they're in for life. tom foley. jim howard of new jersey. these guys and women have the guts to run an impossible -- that's what's so inspiring about it. she could be a congresswoman for life in the wrong district. in other words, politically she's probably too moderate. your thoughts? >> one of the reasons the republican campaign committee must be just tearing its hair out is that this was another race that republicans have essentially given away because they have a bad candidate. it's like todd akin in missouri. these are races republicans should have won. but they have bad candidates. at first the campaign committee was going to go ahead with it, give mark sanford money. he's at least well known. he served as governor twice. he's got the politics that seem to fit that district. but he's also an idiot. and let me say this in his wife's defense. remember that mark sanford came to her to ask her to run his campaign this time around. after publicly humiliating her with another woman. so for all of his alleged political genius,
of call, and that diamond is the bomber. >> jim cavanagh, thank you so much for that. well, we could find out definitively today if letters sent to president obama and senator roger wicker contain the poison ricin. mississippi police have arrested 45-year-old paul kevin curtis at his home. the fbi says curtis sent three letters, all of which preliminarily tested positive for ricin, and included a final line that red, "i am kc, and i approve this message." 'one size fits all'. it doesn't. that's crazy. we're all totally different. ishares core. etf building blocks for your personalized portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus, which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. accomplishing even little things can become major victories. i'm phil mickelson, pro golfer. when i was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis, my rheumatologist prescribed enbrel for my pain and stiffnes
thing in the world can happen to a city and dumb sportscasters will go, three hours, jim, this city forget there was a nuclear blast. >> something different was going on there. >> here, it can only happen in boston because boston is a one sports team town. at the end of the day, the sox that pull the entire team together. >> fenway. >> and fenway, the cathedral to a city. it had to be an amazing day there. >> it was. it was an amazingly emotional afternoon. it was a cathartic moment. a baseball game happened to have been played but it was if a tiny basilica on the back bay and the region was attracted to it. the suspected suspect had been successfully captured the evening before. neil diamond called the red sox switchboard. >> are you kidding me? >> called the red sox switchboard and said i'm in town, my name is neil diamond. i'd like to come and sing the song and he showed up. >> wow. >> to the surprise -- >> which, of course, people are watching that don't know, that's been a tradition. >> yeah, for a long, long time, many years. middle of the eighth inning, they sing it. >> it's
, they may have done it there or may have had a region, a quantum leap there, as jim was talking about, where will you develop those bomb-making skills? you don't go to m.i.t. to learn,build pressure cooker bombs, do you go to the caucuses, do you go to that area of the world where these devices have been used successfully to attack humanity for year upon year upon year. so i think that six-month period, the russians help us in that we may be able to identify who he was working with and gone to perhaps some type of terroristic training, bomb making school. realize the two brothers set some place. they built multiple pressure cooker bombs, built these hand-held devices. they did a lot. we have had fwhoermts u.s. try to blow their underwear up, try to blow their shoes up, try to blow their car up and they weren't successful, thank god. >> you think this goes beyond what they could pick up on the internet? >> i do i do. i think somebody sitting over their shoulder neath needed to be done. i don't think it was looking a this the seven or eight-page manual you could pull out of inspiration the al
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